Marines Speak Up For Bayonets by Elisabeth Bumiller


DeM Banter: always interesting to see what sticks from the debates…horses and bayonets, not the most important topic but it sure received a great deal of tweets, press coverage, parodies (from the left and the right) and comments. Mr. Obama also may have misspoken when he said the U.S. has fewer bayonets than it did in 1916. There are now more than 600,000 of those in the military’s inventory, very likely higher than the number of military bayonets in existence on the eve of World War I. But…in a more real sense, this all comes down to vision for the future…and where the two candidates see America in the next 5-10 years…thoughts?

Oh and….Mr Romney might have been in error as well….the current force of 287 ships is higher than the final years of the Bush administration, when it fell to 278 in 2007, according to the Navy’s historical records (and The Wall Street Journal)

New York Times
October 24, 2012
Pg. 12

The Caucus

Yes, the American military still uses bayonets, and quite a few. There are horses too.

When Mitt Romney complained during Monday night’s presidential debate that the Navy “is smaller now than at any time since 1917,” President Obama shot back with “Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets.’’ Mr. Obama’s line, meant to underscore that military capability matters more than sheer numbers, quickly ignited a fire on the Internet.

Marines quickly jumped in to say that they still attach bayonets to the end of their rifles, either the M4, M16 or M27. Of course, Mr. Obama did not say that the military has no bayonets and horses at all — just that there were fewer now than then.

While that is almost certainly true (the United States government drafted four million men in World War I), the 2012 United States Marine Corps still has more than 175,000 bayonets – or nearly one for each of the 197,500 current active-duty Marines. Marines carry bayonets when they deploy overseas, typically in sheaths attached to their body armor. In the martial arts training that all Marines receive, they are taught to attach them to their rifles in difficult or close-quarters situations.

“Basically when you’re in a hand-to-hand-combat situation, if you’re out of ammo and if your rifle malfunctions, you can attach the bayonet and still kill somebody,’’ said Capt. Kendra Motz, a Marine Corps spokeswoman. The bayonet blade is 7 inches long.

Horses are still used for funerals at Arlington National Cemetery and in formal military parades. One of their most well-known uses in recent years was in Afghanistan in the fall of 2001, when elite teams of American commandos on horseback radioed in airstrikes to American pilots with the enemy’s exact position.

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